Interview with James Howard Kunstler
Tuesday, December 12th, 2006
MungBeing — James
Howard Kunstler has written four books on Urban Design and Suburbia
including the ground-breaking “Geography of Nowhere” in 1993. He has
also written nine novels, the newest of which is entitled “Maggie
Darling” and it’s a doozy. He is a passionate author, a painter, an
insightful social critic, and a sharp-witted observer. His latest book
is called “The Long Emergency” and it talks about life after “peak oil”- or, as he describes it in this interview, “the cheap oil fiesta of
the late 20th century”. His “Clusterfuck Nation” is loaded with his
commentary on our social condition and his “Eyesore of the Month”serves to remind us, with wit and sincerity, of the horrible things
we’re doing to our surroundings. But most of all, James Howard Kunstler
gives voice to the uneasy feelings that bubble up within us, from the
discomfort and confusion regarding our current urban environment to the
uncertainty regarding our future post-cheap oil. … MB:
You’ve predicted that in the next 10 years we’ll see the beginning of a
major collapse of suburbia. What do you see occupying the space
currently filled with suburban neighborhoods? How does “infill” fit
into this discussion? JHK: They obviously have an “iffy”destiny. I believe they will certainly lose value, both monetary and
utilitarian. I imagine they will eventually “be” one of three things –
ruins, materials salvage sites, or slums. In my view, very few of them
will be “retrofitted” or infilled or fixed. We are going to be a far
less affluent society coming out of this era than we were going in.
MB: One of the main themes that runs through discussions of suburbia is
that it is automobile-centric at the expense of pedestrian. Your new
book “The Long Emergency” examines our society after the oil runs out
(among other things). How did the writing of this book differ from your
previous books (or did it)? JHK: It didn’t differ. It was a
natural outgrowth of what I was saying as far back as “The Geography of
Nowhere.” You could go even further back to my out-of-print novel, “The
Halloween Ball” which has themes and plot devices based on suburban
development. In the last chapter of “Geography of Nowhere” I wrote
explicitly about the end of the cheap oil fiesta — though at that
point the ideas of the leading oil geologists like Hubbert, Deffeyes
and Campbell had not made it into the public arena. … MB: How do you think our cities will be organized in the future? When does that future start?
JHK: I believe we will see an emphatic reversal of the 200-year-long
demographic trend of people moving from the rural places and small
towns to the mega-cities. I’m convinced that our big cities will
contract substantially, even as they densify around their centers and
waterfronts — and I also believe that maritime transport is in for a
big revival in the post-cheap-energy era. I think agriculture will come
much closer back to the center of our economic life. I think our
smaller towns and smaller cities will do better than the big ones. The
process is liable to be rather disorderly and tumultuous. (12/12/06)
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